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Tuesday, 4 July 2023

MSCC - Minutes for May 2023

 

Marchmont and Sciennes Community Council

Minutes of Meeting held on May 22nd, 2023 at St. Catherine’s Argyle Church Hall

 

Present: Brian Gilmore - Chair, MSCC, Alison Service - MSCC Treasurer, Anne Laing - MSCC Secretary, Douglas Rogers - MSCC, Cllr. Tim Pogson, Archie Minto (local resident), Edith Stewarts (local resident), May Bowie (local resident), Sheila Sproule (local resident), Caroline Ferguson (local resident), Bob Gates (local resident), Margaret Minto (local resident), Fraser McKendrick - Earl of Marchmont, Donald Henderson - Grange Association, Ruth Robertson (local resident), Jamie Long (local resident), Carol Howard-Williams (local resident), Alastair Philip (local resident)

 

Apologies: Susan Agnew - MSCC, Anthony Holmes 

 

Attending: Nora Flynn-McIver - Minutes Secretary

 

Meeting began at 7:34pm

 

Draft Minutes of 26/04/23

Alison moves to pass, Douglas seconds, passed unanimously

Reminder to ask Anthony Holmes about putting parking/Warrender Baths on the next agenda.

 

Matters Arising

No updates

 

Conservation and Adaptation Consultation

Douglas Rogers has provided a consultation regarding debate on insulation in listed buildings, outlining what the CC and local residents need to know. This will be circulated in the next few days.

 

Publicity

No updates

 

Meadows and Bruntsfield Links

No current updates

 

City Councillor report on local issues

Cllr. Tim Pogson: CEC is working with Sciennes Primary Parent Council on Sciennes Road closure and playground. Temporary road closure will stay in place for now, but the works on the school itself should be ending, therefore less road closure is needed. Council is hoping to get a permanent road closure near that area and are currently working on it. 

Various parking dispensations were suspended with immediate effect, but this has now been put on hold because of how quickly this decision was made and will not be enforced until at least August 7th.

Consultation ongoing on making the road closure at Whitehouse Loan permanent, but the issue is contentious. 

There are works on Kilgraston Road to improve different junctions and making the area safer for cyclists and pedestrians.

Meadows toilets: Temporary toilets still not in situ yet. The leader of the Council got involved today to get them in place as soon as possible. Alison questioned why the installation took so long, flags that the request should be put in place much earlier so that toilets are in place in early May. The Council is also looking into a permanent solution for the future. Carol Howard-Williams asked about this and Cllr. Pogson replies that they are looking at this for next year but there is not a concrete timeline yet. Fraser McKendrick, Earl of Marchmont manager, offers their toilet for those in the Meadows until early June.

 

41 Bus Issue

Councillors have been in touch with Lothian Buses, with two responses. First: fairly standard response, loss of government subsidy as of the end of March, Lothian buses is looking at which routes are most profitable for them and are having to make cuts. The big problem is the issue of rerouting the bus across the bridges. Lothian Buses seem very unlikely to make any change on the issue, other than a promise to monitor the situation, which is unfeasible. Ian Murray has a petition going on the bus routes issue, which goes beyond just the 41 bus. Responsibility lies with Scott McArthur, head of transport commission, and people should be getting in contact with him, and maintain pressure on Lothian buses to at least reroute some buses to ensure that all areas are served. Brian Gilmore asks about the George Street New Town project which would stop the 41 bus running there, as this is the remit of the Council. Tim Pogson said that he would check on this issue and see how it affects bus services. Alastair Philip asked about plans to include cycling routes on George IV Bridge and whether this plan played a part in the Lothian Buses decision. Cllr. Pogson said that there is likely still funding being gathered for this. Archie Minto asked why the 41 bus has been channelled towards Nicholson Square, as the George IV Bridge work won’t start for another year. Cllr. Pogson said that Counsellors have asked about this and have not received a satisfactory answer. Cllr. Pogson suggested that he check with Lothian Buses in about a month, after pressure has been applied. Edith Stewarts flags that many older members of the community depend on the 41 bus to be able to access centrally based necessities like the post office. Cllr. Pogson suggests that MSCC reach out to Lothian Buses directly, and Alison volunteered to do this, taking into account the poins raised at this meeting. Anne Laing suggests that an alternative could be that the 41 goes down Chambers Street thus cutting the distance to walk to the Central library and PO. Caroline Ferguson flags that there are a lot of disabled and elderly people in Marchmont and they depend on the 41 to be able to go places (ie. the Central Library, National Library, Santander Bank, M&S on Princes St). They now have to change buses, which can be very difficult. Students have not been inconvenienced to the same extent as elderly and disabled community members. Margaret Minto flagged that this is likely to affect parents of young children trying to get to the Children’s Library. Bob Gates asked if the George Street issue may be less of an issue than the Lothian Buses is making it seem, and also asked what is the best way to protest the bus change. Brian Gilmore pointed out that this was done with very little consultation with the community. Cllr. Pogson notes that, while Lothian Buses did follow the law as far as consultations go, it would have been advantageous if they had reached out beforehand to discuss with the Council. Cllr. Pogson also recommended emailing Lothian Buses directly, and said he is happy to do he can to try and rectify the issue. Brian Gilmore recommended emailing all councillors to make the issues known. Edith Stewarts flagged that it may be problematic for Ian Murray’s petition to only be accessible online, and Cllr. Pogson said he will flag this to Ian Murray to circulate. Alison asked if it would be helpful to mention the lack of consultation when reaching out to Lothian Buses, and Cllr. Pogson confirmed this would make sense. May Bowie asked who is in charge of where traffic goes, and whether the Council has control over what buses can go on which routes. Cllr. Pogson says that the Council has no direct control over where Lothian Buses sets their routes, but does have a level of representation and influence. Douglas Rogers asked if Lothian Buses publishes usage data, it seems that they do not. Alastair Philip asked if the Council can subsidise specific routes, but Cllr. Pogson said that he didn’t think that the Council can specifically subsidise bus routes, and has had trouble in the past convincing Lothian Buses to put routes where they are needed. Bob Gates asked what degree of influence the average age of passengers has, because of bus passes, but was told it is unlikely to be an issue as they receive money for all those on bus passes. Cllr. Pogson suggested it might be useful to have a Lothian Buses representative invited to the next meeting. Brian Gilmore asked if Cllr. Pogson could see if it is within the Council’s power to subsidise a bus route.

 

Sick Kids site

Douglas Rogers, Cllr. Tim Pogson, and Anne Laing met with Home Group recently and discussed their traffic plan, which is to close the bottom of Sylvan Place for 14 months. This amount of time could be shortened but will not go below a year, and will begin in August. Douglas feels the community will have to live with this, despite frustrations with the issue. Brian Gilmore asked how much is being closed and was told about half of the road is being closed with a barrier on the pavement edge. Douglas suggested inviting a representative from JR Group (the construction group working on site) to the next meeting and allowing community feedback.

It is likely that the Mortuary Chapel will be put up for sale by Downing. Groups are asking about preserving the murals in the Mortuary Chapel. Archie Minto asked if the Chapel is listed, Douglas responds that everyone involved is aware of the historical value of the site. Downing wants some money for the site because they can no longer put housing units there. There has been no significant positive move from any groups involved (Traquair Trust and Historic Scotland) to give a solution of any sort. 

Douglas also discussed with them how the streets in the area will be restored, and will suggest that Sciennes Road outside the block become a play street.

Cllr. Pogson asked about the previous suggestion to turn the Mortuary Chapel into a community space, but Douglas thought this is not a viable solution. Alastair Philip asked whether the Mortuary Chapel would make a good community space, and Douglas said there are certain areas in the building that could be used as a community space.

 

Astley Ainslie Hospital redevelopment

Cllr. Pogson is currently trying to set up a meeting between the groups involved in the redevelopment, planning, and the NHS. There are other priorities for the groups involved, therefore nothing will happen there for a while yet.

Anne will take this off of the agenda for the next meeting.

 

Arden Street Proposal  - Jamie Long

Arden Street has very little availability for pedestrians, and |Jamie is suggesting that the parking be angled by 45 degrees to allow the road to become one-way, which then reduces the road by 25%, which allows more room for pedestrians. Two problems with this: first, there are communal rubbish bins on both sides of the street which inconveniences the rubbish truck. Second, a lot of people are moving into this area, so there would need to be dedicated loading spaces. James has circulated this around the neighbourhood and has gotten a relatively positive response. He would also like for the bays to be clearly painted. He also proposed a new parking/street plan for the Marchmont area. Alastair Philip voiced certain objections to the Arden Street proposals which he’d not heard about though he’s resident there, as the number of parking spaces is already limited. Donald Henderson pointed out that people are complaining about some vehicles being too large for the area, and suggested that the Council charge parking fees based on size of vehicle. Cllr. Tim Pogson said that Jamie should send his proposal to all the ward councillors, as there are multiple levels of stages in the proposal. It was suggested that he wait and see how the new placement of the refuse bins affect the street. Caroline Ferguson suggested that university students should not be allowed to have cars in the City Centre.

 

Scottish Water issue

Archie Minto asked what the timeline looks like for the closure of the South side of Marchmont Crescent and was told that the MSCC will contact them for an update for the next meeting.

 

Defibrillator issue - Earl of Marchmont

The present leaseholder of the Earl of Marchmont is giving up the pub, and if Fraser McKendrick replaces him, he will get the defibrillator set up right away. If he does not get the post then he suggested that the defibrillator be given to a different business in the area (like ScotMid) to house it in the street (relevant planning permission should be pretty straightforward). Margaret Minto mentioned that there is one outside Saundersons Butchers in Tollcross and they could advise on this. Alison to liaise with Fraser on this after his meeting with the Brewery this week.

Fraser also suggested that maybe Lothian Buses could set up a mini-bus once or twice a week to help locals affected by the 41 bus closure, and he offered (if he becomes the new leaseholder) to help offset some of the costs.

 

Planning applications

Donald Henderson of the Grange Association said that a few planning applications have been submitted.

Permission for a 5G mast is being applied for at the bottom of Whitehouse Loan, there have been multiple objections. 

24 Mansionhouse Road application has been put in, objections have been stated.

140 Causewayside (office block near Tesco), proposal for demolition to be replaced by a student accommodation site. Cllr. Pogson is generally opposed to student accommodation development, and wants to question why this could not be an affordable housing site. Issue raised that affordable housing is necessary for everyone, including students, and any replacement for this development could possibly welcome students as well as non-students. Two events are happening regarding this development, 1st is on the 15th of June, 2nd is on the 27th of July, both from 4pm-7:30pm at Mayfield Church.

 

Grange Cemetery

No updates.

 

Treasurer’s Report 

£1408 in the bank at the moment.

 

Meetings attended 

No updates.

 

AOCB

Alastair Philip asked about the suggestion of the community buying the St Catherine’s Argyle church that was suggested at the last meeting. There have been no updates on this.

Margaret Minto mentioned that the notice board outside ScotMid is not up to date, and MSCC will follow up with the Publicity team.

 

Date of next meeting 

Next meeting will be June 28th, along with the AGM



Reports

 

Wednesday, 28 June 2023

MSCC - Draft Agenda for 28 Jun 2023 including AGM

 

Marchmont & Sciennes

Community Council

 

Meeting on Wed 28th June 2023 at 7:30pm (including AGM)

To be held at St Catherine’s Argyle Church hall

 

 

A G E N D A

 

 1             Sederunt and apologies

 2            Draft Minutes of last meeting 31 May 2023; actions and matters arising (not otherwise on Agenda)

               a. Parking dispensation

               b. defibrillator

 3           Presentation from Home Group regarding Sylvan Place development and planned road closure.

 4          Meadows & Bruntsfield Links      

 5             City Councillor report on topical local issues

 

 

Items for AGM

 

A1          Approve Note of last year's AGM

A2        Matters arising from the AGM minutes

A3        Annual Report - Chair (Brian Gilmore)

A4        Annual Report - Secretary (Anne Laing)

A5        Annual Report and presentation of audited accounts - Treasurer (Alison Service) 

A6        Election of Officers

A7        Date of next AGM 

A8        Ordinary meeting dates for 2023-2024

            Proposed: 4th Wed of each month except no meeting in July, August or December

A9        AOCB 

 

Items for discussion

 7             Sick Kids site: update   (circulated)

 8             Scottish Water update  (circulated)

 9           Bus route update   (circulated)

 10          Planning applications

For info:

11           Meetings attended

12           AOCB

13           Date of next meeting: Wednesday 27 September 2023

 

All who live or work locally are welcome to attend

Tuesday, 6 June 2023

MSCC Minutes for April 2023

 

Marchmont and Sciennes Community Council

Minutes of Meeting held on April 26th, 2023 at St. Catherine’s Argyle Church Hall

 

Present

Brian Gilmore - Chair, MSCC, Alison Service - MSCC Treasurer, Douglas Rogers - MSCC, Susie Agnew - MSCC, Cllr. Ben Parker, Anthony Holmes - Thirlestane Lane Association, Val Carson - local resident, Maggie Carson - local resident, Jamie Long - local resident, Margaret Coughtrie - local resident, William McGhee - St Catherine’s church representative

 

Apologies

Anne Laing - MSCC Secretary, Donald Henderson - Grange Association, Kayleigh Gordon - MSCC Publicity, Liane Phillips - MSCC Publicity

 

Attending

Nora Flynn-McIver - Minutes Secretary

 

Meeting began at 7.36pm:

 

Draft Minutes of 22/03/23 Meeting

Issue noted on section about Sick Kids site, changes 2m to 600mm

Alison moves to pass, Douglas seconds

 

Publicity

No updates

 

Meadows and Bruntsfield Links, FOMBL Report

Benches have been restored, there are two new benches ready to be installed across from the James Gillespie School. Tree group has planted 21 trees.

Going to have a water tap installed at the pavilion for watering and maintenance.

Wildflower Meadows is going ahead, bulbs are being delivered and planted. David Kyle has been very supportive in all efforts.  Mowing rota has been changed so that it does not interfere with the wildflower areas.

Allocating bird-friendly, low-bush area around the playground and tennis courts.

Issues brought up with Red Bull commercial event promoting a future event. FOMBL objecting as it is purely an advertising event. After discussing it was agreed MSCC write to object to this event.

 

City Council Report

The council has been on recess for the last three weeks.

Councillors are still looking for a full update on the Warrender Baths swimming pool.

TRO Travelling Safely orders will be readvertised due to previous errors. Six month consultation period will begin again. Things that have already been submitted will still be counted. More information will be coming out soon.

Consultation on City Mobility plan is live now.

Consultation on busking amplification will go live in May.

All Party Oversight Group for Festival Events has flagged that this year is exceptionally busy for event applications, which already exceed last year.

Alison asked about temporary public toilets for the Meadows in warm weather, as she has emailed about this and has not heard anything back. Ben to check into this.

Douglas asked about plans for extending a bike route from the Meadows down the Mound. Ben check but it is outside of his ward. This might be delayed due to the TRO process.

Douglas asked about a consultation on listed buildings and insulating them with a net-zero policy. He will email Ben about this.

Anthony said that the Thirlestane Lane Assoc will no longer allow parking to Warrender Baths workers when it opens for the sake of ensuring green policy.

Kayleigh wrote about a damaged bollard near Marchmont Hardware following a car crash in March; wants to see this fixed due to safety. 

Police box on Marchmont Crescent is sinking; Ben will look into this.

 

St Catherine’s Church update

The church is being sold off as a part of a larger group sale in 2024.

The group is proposing a community right to buy for the church, and is looking for support from the local community.  The group is still working on developing a vision, but the current thought process is to turn the church into a mixed community space and continue to allow various groups to use the spaces.

Susie asked whether there would still be a Sunday service. William said that people are being relatively cautious because of certain arcane rules based on the Church of Scotland, but part of the reason for the community right to buy is so that people have a place to worship.

If the community right to buy does not go through, the alternative would likely be private residential development.

Susie asked about whether the groups that use the space would be sufficient profit. William said that they are currently sustaining the church and there could be other spaces in the church used to maximise profit.

William asked for the endorsement of the MSCC for the community buy. MSCC agreed to support the proposal of a community buyout and will liaise with William on how it can help with canvassing the community at large.  William will maintain contact with the MSCC on this.

 

Sick Kids Site Update

Douglas is having a meeting with Home Group on May 11th; they are supposed to take control of the site on the 17th but there is no update on the electricity.

The Sick Kids development was confirmed to be the cause of power cuts affecting businesses in the Marchmont area, Kayleigh via Brian asked that Ben make sure that no more unscheduled power cuts happen. 

 

Astley Ainslie Hospital Redevelopment

No updates.

 

Pavement on Chalmer’s Crescent

The lower end towards Argyle Place has been resurfaced, Warrender Park Road still needs to be resurfaced.

 

Scottish Water issues

50% way through building the tank at the Bruntsfield Links site, should take about 6 more weeks.

Have been able to preserve tree at Marchmont Crescent. Still working on the North side of Marchmont Crescent.

Buses got cancelled due to works, but works never happened. This may be due to a delay due to some mistakes made. Provided updates may not be completely accurate.

Ben will email Katherine Henderson to follow up on updates.

 

Planning Applications

No updates.

 

Conservation and Adaptation consultation

Douglas will prepare something to present at the May meeting.

 

Grange Cemetery Update

No updates.

 

Treasurer’s Report

£1448 in the bank now.

Looking for local projects to support; could help with printing leaflets for the St Catherine’s Church buy out effort.

The Earl of Marchmont pub is still waiting for planning permission to place their defibrillator outside the pub; Ben to check on this.  ~At Susie’s suggestion, Alison to look into organising a defibrillator training event with St Johns.

 

Meetings Attended

No updates.

 

AOCB

Residents of the Home Royal House on Chalmers’ Crescent are having a meeting on May 11th and would like for a Councillor to attend, along with members of MSCC.

The wall on Sylvan Place is bulging due to a tree’s roots; barriers have been placed in front of the wall. The wall will have to be taken down and rebuilt by the residents of the property. Alison knows people in the property, and will pass contacts along to Douglas.

This year is the centurion anniversary for the Astley Ainsley Hospital; there will be a large event on 29th of October.

 

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be on Wednesday, 31st May rather than the usual 24th May. Please note the change of date.